By Frank Rocco
03-13-06
Many of the comments on the Re-Imagineering Blog make clear that there are two prevailing viewpoints, (although they are not mutually exclusive of each other): Preservationist and Progressive. Being that this is a blog about Disney theme parks it's no surprise that there are posters here that take the time to formulate and post their strongly held views regarding the direction that they think the parks should go. The interesting thing is the almost religious significance that is given to what the parks represent to the persons in each camp, and the way in which each can summon the revered name and words of "Walt" to support either position.
Regardless of whether you're a Preservationist or Progressive, I think it can be agreed that the Disney theme parks represent, in the collective imagination of the group, a kinder, gentler world of nostalgia; whether it be the very real nostalgia of having visited the parks as a child, and the profound impression left by those visits, or the imaginary nostalgia for an America that may never have really existed except in the mind of Walt Disney.
Another similarity to discussions of religion is how personally many people take events at the parks and comments made regarding those events. To the Preservationists, a change to the parks that they know and love is like ripping a page from their childhood scrapbook and shredding it before their eyes. To the Progressives, not taking advantage of modern technologies is leaving a promise unfulfilled, and not living up to the dream of what the ultimate theme park could be.
It appears that whichever side of the fence you are on, it is agreed that things have changed at the parks, and not for the better. Some of us look back to the past for solutions; others look to new, untested paths. Personally, I believe that both of these viewpoints are correct, but the reality is that the question of the future direction of the parks requires a more thoughtful approach than either knee-jerk reaction of preservationism or progressivism. This larger question begs first the answer to smaller questions, and the laying out of some principles.
With regard to the icon of "Walt," and the way in which his name, his dreams, his vision, etc. are co-opted by persons who are not Walt, I'd say… Disneyland has Disney's name on it because he imagined it, and he found a way to have it built. He obviously had some very definite ideas about what the theme park experience was going to be, and much of what made him personally happy went into the park. The nostalgia represented in the buildings and attractions of Disneyland is the idealized view of a Midwestern man born at the turn of the last century. When Walt Disney was a youngster, the people of his parents' and grandparents' generations probably experienced the Lincoln assassination much like some of us, and our parents, experienced the Kennedy assassination.
This leads to two questions. The first is the question of relevance. To Walt Disney the park was full of relevance, because it brought back to him a safe and loving world that he hadn't known since he was a child in Missouri. Through it he also looked forward to his idealized vision of the future. In one "land" of the park he put forth a plan for a changing world, in others he preserved a version of the past that was never meant to change, and in a land of fantasy he presented a world that never was nor ever will be, except in our imaginations. Does this translate to relevance for an audience in today's society? If he was successful in creating an environment of joyful escapism, and I'd say that's a fair assessment, then it's completely relevant as a concept. Are individual attractions relevant to today's audiences? Only so far as they still entertain and engage the audience.
This is where the next question comes into play: "What would Walt do?" When one asks this question, we have to be sure exactly what is being asked. One version of that question is answered, "Walt did what Walt would do!" Another version of that question might read, "What should we do to make this experience as entertaining, enjoyable and thoroughly satisfying to visitors and ourselves?" If the image of "Walt" is a personification of an ideal that strives to create the most inviting and enjoyable entertainment experience on the planet… Great! Go forth in the name of Walt and do just that. But if the name of Walt is being invoked to strike fear into the hearts of heretics that stray from the heaven that is Main Street c.1955, then that might be limiting the vision a bit. That doesn't mean that there shouldn't be a very healthy respect for Walt's dream come true, or for the Disney tradition that has followed in his wake. When I refer to the Disney tradition, I'm not referring to the branding of the Disney name and characters, but to the underlying ideals that American, and now international, families have come to embrace.
These parks live in a different world than the one they came into. This has nothing to do with changes in society, etc. The world they came into was dominated by one man. He was a man of great vision, and ultimate authority, whose reputation and fortune would be either won or lost by his own actions. The world they live in today is one that is ruled by committee. No one who has had any control over the destiny of the parks since Walt left has had to put up their own name or incurred the same risk in the same way. The shift has been from a family name to a brand. When dealing with branding, it's very easy to become cynical and think of the brand as a money machine and the characters, stories and worlds as content with which to fuel it. But no one ever willingly fed their money into a machine that counted it, then dropped it into someone else's pocket. This brings us back to the vision thing.
Preservationists and Progressives in this community are both on the creative side, which puts them on the same side; the side of turning dreams into a form of reality, whether in print, on film, or in a park. This is the right side for creating great entertainment. The fact that individuals in the community have individual interpretations of the Disney Dream can be seen as either a problem, or an opportunity to learn from each other and utilize each other’s strengths while moving forward toward a common goal.
I'm not an expert of Disney history, but I can imagine that when Walt Disney created Disneyland he had a plan for growth, but didn't have to be as concerned with a plan for long-term change. Which brings up another question: What is the justification in making a change in a theme park?
I think again there are two answers that both need to exist together. The first obvious answer is if the park is suffering economically, and has to reinvigorate interest and hence attendance by creating something new that captures the imagination of the public. The second answer is that the creative integrity has been sufficiently sacrificed in the recent past, and needs to be restored to the level of quality that befits the Disney ideal. I don't know the economics of the parks, whether they are making an actual profit, or "not meeting earning expectations." I also don't know the allocation of resources for various aspects of operation, upkeep and renovation, so I can only make comments that come from gut instincts. And those instincts are guided by the principle that the quality of the entertainment experience for the audience will ultimately determine the economic success or failure of the parks.
"Quality of the entertainment" is a wholly subjective matter, though. Is it greater use of interactivity, better stories, more thrilling rides, detail of immersive elements, high tech, low tech, harkening back, looking forward, more or less integration of film properties? In reality it's all those elements in varying degrees, applied to various aspects of the parks. In the absence of Walt to tell everyone which way to go, the best plan would be to form a plan!
The Re-Imagineering Blog has thus far been a very fun to watch turkey shoot at current flaws in the parks, and some of the turkeys are more obvious than others, (giant wizard hats and wands, for example), but how do these pot shots fit into an overall plan. The plan doesn't have to be complex. Actually, it should be a very simple plan. One that everyone involved can understand. Then the discussion can move on from what was done wrong to what can be done right in the right context.
My own cynicism toward Disneyland as it is now has resulted from marketing tactics that smack of hypocrisy. Walt's proclamations about "The Happiest Place on Earth" and "The Magic Kingdom" have been used as smokescreens to keep you from seeing the true nature of the business in its current incarnation, which is to squeeze every cent out of you that they can. I can only imagine how many people like myself who now use large crowds as an excuse to stay away from the park will come back to join those same crowds with renewed hope and a feeling that they have been satisfactorily entertained by a company that respects them and their dreams, as well as their dollars.
I'm not against a company making money. As a matter of fact I'm all for a company that "earns" a fortune based on their best efforts to produce a product that people really want. If the Disney company can manage to create greater income by living up to its past reputation of giving the public a great show for its money, that would be fantastic! Greater income means continued stability and well planned and measured growth means newer and greater wonders to come. But I think the only way to get there is by getting a grip on the "vision thing" and keeping the goals simple and direct.
Respect and trust are commodities that Walt Disney earned throughout a career of serving his audience with a quality of entertainment that they came to expect, and hold up as a standard. He did not earn those accolades by taking the American family for granted, or underestimating their intelligence or taste. I think that he believed that if he could create something that he himself would enjoy, even after being witness to the gory birthing process, then someone coming into the park for the first time would be thoroughly enchanted. I look forward to a future where the cynicism is gone from Disney entertainment and is replaced with the trust and respect that Walt Disney worked so hard to earn.
If expense is restricting live entertainment and service, how, in the real world, would you reallocate assets?
Is there not enough money for live entertainment because the park is not "meeting expectations" or is the park truly not making a profit?
Mr. Banks said,
May 4th, 2006, 3:56 pm
I love this awesome blog. F. Rocco you are my hero! Anything that helps sell my silly little Blog is okay with me.
Seriously, great challenging thoughts!
Mr. Banks
Mark Eades said,
May 5th, 2006, 7:06 pm
Mr. Rocco:
You did an accurate analysis of the religious overtones many Disney fans take when venting their views of the parks.
However, your economic analysis failed to pass muster. You say to get rid of the “concessionaires” and replace them with entertainers.
Well, that’s a rather generic statement that fails to realize that a lot of those concessions pay for a lot of the entertainment in the park.
If you get rid of them, what revenue stream are you going to tap to replace it?
Mark Eades, a former Imagineer.
Rocco said,
May 5th, 2006, 11:50 pm
Mark,
You know, I’m glad you posted your comment, and I’m glad that you phrased it the way that you did.
I was debating whether or not to have commenting here. What I had written was comprised of thoughts that I had regarding the Re-Imagineering blog and they were originally meant for the person that gave us that great blog. After uploading this article, and seeing my words “on the web”, I was afraid that I’d be forever held accountable for publishing ideas that may not be thoroughly thought out, by someone who is not as well informed as he should be. As a cartoonist I realize that it’s not always easy for me to see the mistakes in my own drawings, and when someone else points them out to me they are suddenly glaringly obvious, and it’s not the most pleasant feeling to be made aware of the shortcomings of your work.
I finally came to the conlusion, though, that since people are actually reading this, I had to open it up to comments because it would be foolish not to be willing to think these things through, with the help of people like yourself who have knowledge and experience of this subject.
Thank you for the courteous tone of your comment. It has made me feel that I made the right decision; that it is possible to post something that may be flawed, but is respectful of the subject, and therefore worthy of further discussion.
Regarding the point of your post:
Yeah. You’re right. That was a pretty over-simplified, and generealized thing to say about getting rid of concessionaires. In reality, I wouldn’t remove all concessions, but I would prefer to see an emphasis put on entertainment rather than merchandising. The big store on Main Street is well suited for selling Disneyana, and Downtown Disney is a great place to spend the rest of your money on merchandise. And since it is physically separated from the park, it doesn’t intrude on the Disneyland experience.
I suppose the idea is that the more kiosks, etc., in the park, the more likely they are to garner more impulse buys. But when I feel surrounded by cash registers it takes me out the happiest place on earth and drops me right back into the real world that I’m there to escape from. As I’m sure you know, in the film business the most important element in the connection between the film and the audience is “suspension of disbelief.” If you can keep your audience engaged in your fantasy and not let harsh reality intrude in their experience, they will feel satisfied, and keep coming back for more.
I’m no economics major, so I’m sure there are other inaccurately phrased ideas or outright misconceptions on my part up there. But from a layman’s point of view I can’t help think that there is an ultimate value in quality entertainment, that you can’t readily measure in short term dollars and cents, that will surely pay off in the long run.
One thing I will never understand is, how much money needs to be made to be considered successful? Again, I don’t know the profit and loss senarios of these companies, but I do know that there are a couple of great quotes by Walt Disney on the Re-Imagineering blog, that I will repeat here…
“…like the old farmer, you’ve got to pour it back into the ground if you want to get it out.”
“…quality will win out, and so I think they will stay with this policy because it’s proven it’s a good business policy. Give the public everything you can give them …”
If the people want merchadise sold to them at every opportunity, then give them what they want. I’m one of the people that doesn’t want that.
Thanks again for your thoughtful reply.
Mark Eades said,
May 7th, 2006, 7:20 pm
Well, when it comes to a publicly help mature company, as Disney is, it is about the money. Disney is not a fast growth company any more and frankly should pay a bigger dividend. That is why it is about the money.
I understand what you are saying, but as I have suggested before to others, the only way to achieve some measure of what you are suggesting is for Disney to not be a public company, but a private one.
To be privately held would mean that it would have to have fewer than 40 shareholders. I don’t see that happening.
I would like to see a return to some merchandise as show, however, such as is the case with the Candy Palace on Main Street. The same would be true for some of the eateries. But to get back to that merchandise as show, they would also have to limit what a lot of the employees did in the old “One of a Kind” shop. The buyers spent more time buying antiques for employees to purchase at a discount than getting unique stuff that would be in the store for the real guests.
People do want to buy merchandise, I think maybe the mix of merchandise does not have to all soft goods like stuffed animals everywhere.
But, the stores do need to make a profit, and a good one, or just like in the mall, they will be closed which would be a bad thing.
I think the question is, what is the right amount of money to plow back into the park, and the corrolary to that is making sure it is wisely and efficiently spent. Disney has not been doing a lot of that lately, including the imagineers. I think some people within Disney need to go out and rediscover what entertains the common family, not the less common yuppie!
Mark Eades said,
May 7th, 2006, 7:24 pm
How about emailing me with a contact email?
Rocco said,
May 7th, 2006, 10:04 pm
You got it.
MikeC said,
June 14th, 2006, 1:18 pm
Sorry you two have taken your discussion private. Your blog and Mark’s comments/replies have been tremendously thought provoking.
Tony Williams said,
August 12th, 2006, 8:34 pm
I’m just glad to see you finally amount to something!
Great blog Roc! Keep reprazentin’ the A&D! Gimme a shout when you get a chance!
Tony
Dave ROD said,
December 3rd, 2006, 9:12 am
YO Rocco,
I just Luv yer site. Hope you are doing well. I am here in New Tampa Florida, my two Brothers both passed away, a cousin, and 4 aunts…I’ve been feeling like a Grimm Reeper these days…I hope to be back in LA in January…The best part of being here is meeting 2 investors in Miami who want to invest in animation.
My Bestest to yer Family for the Holi-DAZE.
Call me when you got an Itch @ 310-617-2695 or the Tampa house @ 813-746-5753.
Smooches,
Dave
Animation…something or other…
Joe Mazurek said,
December 6th, 2006, 12:30 am
I would like to start a weekly blog including the ideals and theme of “re-Imagineering.” The re-Imagineering website and this one delve into the overall philosophy of what is wrong with the parks and what steps need to be taken to start fixing them. My idea is to have a weekly “blue sky” event online. I would like to pitch an idea on how to improve an already existing attraction, or create a new one. I want to have all the fun of an imagineer without the constraints of a budget. I would go into great detail of my original ideas, then let the bloggers add their ideas to the weekly topic. IE: to improve space mountain I would start by blank, then go into great detail, step by step though the ride. then the bloggers would add their ideas to mine or come up with their own regarding that particular attraction. I feel that this would be a lot of fun for me and everyone that wants to be involved. Who knows one day just maybe someone that works for Disney would stumble upon my website and possibly use some of our ideas. well, one can dream. please e-mail me if you have any interest in promoting the link or helping in any way. jmazurek@sbcglobal.net
Dave said,
February 21st, 2007, 10:31 am
From appx. 1999-2004 i made handshaped authentic surfboards for Disney to give away every year to Rose Bowl team captains/coaches etc. I also did some custom boards for regis/kathie lee, and a few stage show props as well. My background is the surf industry- i founded a surf co. and sold it to Quiksilver. I have, for the past several years been musing, dreaming really and outlining (imagineering?) an attraction that is authentic and would appeal to hard core enthusiasts, purists and tourists alike. It could peak and increase heavily the local, repeat populations interests and pass scrutiny by industry naysayers and insiders. It would give Disney a marketing edge from grass roots to corporate- as authenticity is inherent to the project. There is nothing like it and the industry it represents is beond HUGE. I grew up near disneyland and used to ride my bike there- i am 52 yrs. old and i get it… I hovered on the flying saucers and stormed Tom Sawyers Island, but I do not know whom to contact for advice in the presentaition process etc. Any help would be appreciated. Thx. Dave
Boss Angeles said,
October 31st, 2007, 12:15 am
Rocco. I think your thoughts outlined above are right on and balanced. You are a welcome alternative to ReImagineering. The interesting thing I learned in reading Neil Gabler’s book on Walt Disney, is how many opinions he solicited as a method of improving his films. This surprised me. I always thought of him as an Autocrat. Basically, Walt did what he thought his audience would like to see as reinforced by his own interests. He told Marty Sklar once, the business they were in was all about “satisfying people’s needs”. So Walt was naturally relevant to his audience in his time and created (and sometimes ripped out) the attractions based on popularity.